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History, Innovation, closed source, FREE software ATI

In 2006 i was trying to reverse engineer my ATI FireGL graphics card not because i wanted to steel technology, copy or even expose ATI for some unknown false advertising but to get it working with X.org. The damn stupid driver would not work properly so i set out to try and fix it. This meant that the API the driver was built on X.org allowed me to venture deep into the source and find out what was failing. From a development point of view we could go that deep into the code as to change modify and even innovate the software from the inside out. In fact the real problem was ATI’s version check junk. In many cases there was nothing wrong and i mean nothing at all wrong with the API it was to run on. There driver had an inbuilt version checker that refused to load into kernel space unless these super tight conditions were met.

Because the driver is closed source not many people could see this and those that did, did not and could not do anything about it, we called it ATI junk and still do now and again. Either way someone had to give. ATI pushed the X.org and Kernel to change there version system and vice verse pushing the other way. With ATI clearly to loose more money compared to the FREE software guess who finally budged on there silly version system. It works allot better today, code is cleaner, drivers are still closed source but much more compatible and, AND cleaner code(not as clean as we would like but hey). Continue reading

UK Council TAX Scandal corruption summons

Council TAX practice worst than the bankers.

Hello my good readers and welcome to another blog post on a serious note regarding council TAX in the UK. The scandalous scheming cons and how a agreement passed in 1992 by the previous conservative government has come back to attack the poor.

We all know how annoying and painstaking it can be trying to communicate and resolve issues with the council TAX departments across the UK or should we call them local criminals.

Interestingly here is the 1992 legislation for council TAX enforcement that we will refer to bellow:

Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 1992, particularly Regulations 33 to 35.

Now you may think the above is all in order and perfectly fine, we all have to pay the TAX blabla blaaa. Yes i agree and yes we do as council TAX pays for the police force, Fire service, refuse and street cleaning as well as the salt gritters, pedestrianized repair/development drainage etc. Weather you like it or not we all need and enjoy these services that it provides so we pay for it.

The problem begins when local councils begin to pervert the above regulation sections 33 and 35. Just when you thought it was all fine to have such a regulation it gets perverted out of all control and in today’s day 20 years since it was made this perverted legislation busts out into the open for some to see, hopefully now everyone can see it.

It is fair to say that the legislation (if you have not read it already) states that on two defaults meaning you fail to pay your council TAX not once but twice you will be summoned to court to be challenged as to why you failed to pay your council TAX not once but twice, fair comment so far would you not say.

Summons costs at present are £62.50 and for a low income person/families this is allot of money, if there circumstances are difficult there council TAX alone is hard to pay. Hitting them with another £62.50 summons cost is really not the way to go for starters. It makes me laugh when the government criticize bankers for there bonuses and or bank charges and then they them selves are guilty beyond all question of a doubt of the same criminal activity.

Now the argument against this is that people who default and do not(maybe they refuse to pay) there council TAX must be summoned and it is the cost of the court for which the £62.50 is for. Because the council TAX enforcement is actually run by public money (Council TAX oh yea your money is not just for fire service and so on but also to pay for the collection and accountant staff on stupidly high wages that we could do without or at least cut the cost to).  The summons cost is to be paid by the person(s) not paying there council TAX. I am sure many readers are saying tuff tits at the screen right now regarding this but remember if someone is having difficulty paying there council TAX due to low income or whatever, is it fair to hit them with a higher bill.

If you think the above is fair or unfair you have not heard the worst of it yet so read on. Continue reading

WooHoo Google android ADK arduino based microcontroller

WOW is my first words and bring it on.

Google have opened up a new innovation platform for C++ programmers and engineers alike with a great new idea to connect USB accessories and the likes to there android devices.

ARM7 type Microcontrolers which are generally programed to do all sorts of things such as control LCD displays, fan controllers, USB memory controllers and so on can now be made and pluged into a android device extending the devices capabilities.

Why would anyone want to do this? Well let your imagination run wild. As an engineer this opens up my vocabulary in so many ways. Imagine accessories to control your cars engine management system, engine start/stop, radio scanners, transmitters for HAM radio, the list goes on.

Most microcontrollers are programed in Assembly language but MicroChip have made a C++ language IDE that can program modern microcontrolers. This really is a great new mobile platform innovation that really steps up the mark for innovators world wide.

Check out the full article here by Electronics News

2012 Intel E7 AMD opteron 6200 Shock

Hello again my good Internet readers.

I felt the urge for a post in regard to the current processor developments between Intel and AMD this year.

We have seen it all happen over the past 3 years with Intel and AMD battling it out in court over patents and more. One thing was learnt from this, that was that Intel are still pounding and bullying AMD over the patent share for x86 lol yea as silly as that sounds. For those that dont know Intel developed the x86 arch and for AMD to manufacture there chips they must work with Intel closely (maybe too close for comfort) on some sort of arrangement to allow them to make a x86 chip. Scary stuff aye.

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Well it turns out Intel want access to AMD’s patents, “holly guacamole” and Intel believe this totally fair because there allowed! primarily because there given the right to use x86. Now we got this out the way we can look deeper into current relations that are impacting us as the consumer and maybe answer why Intel want access to there latest patents.

Its 2012 and AMD have released what many say is a totally flopped processor yet no one has actually taken a closer look at the CPUspec sheets on these chips. Although the step up for more cores has not directly doubled performance it certainly did something.

In this article i will be comparing 2 socket(DP=Dual processor NOT double penetration as one reader a few years ago thought it was.) systems used in HPC workstations/servers.

The Intel E7-2870 @ 2.4ghz 10 core that includes hyperthreading.

AMD Opteron 6272 @2.1ghz 16 core

I used these chips as comparison because there both quad memory chips. all 5600 and core chips from Intel are only triple channel.

Now The AMD 6272 rolls out on the market @ ~£500.00/chip

Wait for it!

The Intel E7-2870 rolls out at ~£3800.00/chip

By taking a look at the CPUspec site we can see performance marks, totally ignoring the memory performance for a moment and just focus on the CPU mark the AMD scores 392 and 448 peek wow.

Intel scores nearly identical remember its 10 cores with 20 threads so thats 40 threads 20 cores scores 502 and 535 peek say what, thats about a 100 difference so does that mean they took that value and used it as a multiplier for the price.

As one can see this might be why Intel are giving AMD a hard time wanting to know how they did this, remember the AMD 6272is clocked @ 2.1ghz with a much lower TDP while Intel E7-2870 is a 2.4ghz and slightly higher TDP.

Now a price like that at nearly 8000 gbp is insane in comparison to 1000 gbp for a pair of AMD 6270’s with very little performance gap. Someone is ripping someone off here and it sure is not AMD. If you have read my previous article titled “Concerns with Intel processors” you will see that Intel is really not looking good. The future Intel marketing plan is very flawed.

So to all those people screaming how bad AMD is doing with there processors just take a quick look at this insanity. Sure Intel is faster not by much but by god they are so far apart on price its unreal.

I personally support AMD on there ideals all the way reason being is that every home, user, developer from all walks of life should be able to enjoy high performance computing at an affordable price. AMD are one of the only companies to provide this. Intel are due to release there new EFI or UEFI BIOS replacement which actually has built in network drivers that do not let you turn them off. This is a new initiative by Intel to allow for automatic updates and anti piracy software. There building into there processor a hardware based code block to stop software that has not got permission to use certain Intellectual Property rights to not execute. If that was not bad enough the UEFI allows this to be remotely updated over the Internet. Scary stuff, certainly enough to make alarm bells ring.Ill make another post as soon as i can compile the information together regarding Intel’s UEFI BIOS Replacement.

Could well be that HPC open free computing is going to cost you £8000.00 and closed locked dictatorship computing will be available at the £1000.00 price all curtsy of Intel. With this in mind one can only say God bless you AMD and keep up the good work. Freedom and innovation on Linux and other OS’s can really only survive with a free open platform(free as in free speech).

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Thanks for reading and keep yourselves wise to it, its about the only way you can stop them ripping you off or limiting your abilities.

AMD PCIe 3.0 HPC Opterons

I recently read a thread on AMD forums which i just had to reply to.

The thread was talking about PCIe 3.0 and how its waste the time AMD jump on the band wagon and implement this interface at present. Something i think a very important issue to AMD at present with the market looking for HPC and future proofing there server products it is imperative they at least make one slot available in PCIe Gen 3.0.

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Here is my reply to the thread:

Interesting thread and this in my opinion is going to make or break AMD in the next year if they dont sort it.

Here is an interesting story for you, i can understand the concerns why many want PCIe 3.0 support and its not really the performance update.

In 2001 high end workstation were breaking over to PCIe leaving AGP behind as well as moving to 64bit computing. The high end market was embedding superfast AGP slots that had not yet been saturated in fact they were not saturated until about 2004. Why does this matter? well because those that had purchased a workstation at costs 3X the standard top PC gaming system ended up royally screwed. The chipsets throttled you to upgrading to 64bit and the PCIe generation crushed out all future options for AGP. Yes we seen the gaming market change there boards like they change there underpants but when that mainboard, CPU(S) cost as much as they do its not that simple. Your pretty much forced to chuck it and replace in fact expandable options in the HPC workstation server market is a massive problem as it is not cheap tat that can be changed like your underpants.

With the above in mind on buying a mainboard processor solution you need to think 4 years from now what you are going to need, remember were talking $5000.00++ investment here that you might have to throw away after 2 years urm NOT an option.

You spend that kind of cash you really need a future proof solution so its not actually about performance now its about getting that extra bit of poke for minimal upgrade to your investment. By scrapping and buying new it is clearly a bad move. If AMD dont move fast or change something soon in the HPC market people are not going to consider AMD solutions to there investments for the next few years.

I not going to blat lots of replies to different people so ill put it all here. Someone had mentioned changing the socket and having PCIe 3.0 on the CPU die. Yes Intel have done this, there maybe a issue for AMD to do this its called Patents lol, Intel might have the IP on it. At present if you take a look at the mainboard plans for C32/G34 sockets you will see all PCIe is handled by the southbridge SR5xxx chipset. HT3 is not 2 x X16 its actually x16 + x8 take a look at the Tyan mainboard documentation to see this. PCIe gen 2.0 X16 is a 5GT/s lane where 3.0 ups the speed to 8GT/s PCIe gen 4.0 due 2015 is PCIe gen 3.0 in paralel making X32 lane @ 8gt/s so if AMD dont move fast on this there in trouble with PCIe 4.0 just 3 years away you can bet your bottom dollar Intels E7 chips are going to be all over it in 2 years. I am expecting Intel to be all over PCIe 3.0 for there E7 DP/MP before the end of this year. There is a market lead AMD can take here with there opterons 4000/6000 and FX series.

AMD memory controller is already set for delivering 2ghz ddr3 memory. There HT interconnects need to be overclocked as mentioned by some posts in this thread and that is mostly i say mostly down to mainboard manufacturers. The PCB tracking has to be made and tuned to handle these speeds. Check out PCIsig for the specs they have to adhere to. Crosstalk, inductance are a big issue when dealing with these speeds a slight mistake and it can render the entire board useless. Remember you cant just overclock you need to balance the PCB interconnects correctly to get it working. Intel have managed it to a certain degree of success, proves it can be done.

To those who thing software does not use it, well that is in your Windows world and this is why the Linux server dominates the planet at present. It allows developers/administrators to really open it up, thats the meaning of free software after all. Thats why we need PCIe 3.0 this year so AMD needs get busy squeezing there chips to blow the world away with the best HPC or they might just loose the race.

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Thanks for reading and i hope AMD read this too because after all its there customers that buy which in turn pay there wages. Sorry for spelling errors if any peace and fingers crossed we get what we need so we can invest and keep our innovation going. I say that because compiling allot of source code takes a loooooong time and openCL really needs a faster PCIe slot.

RBS Bonuses and ACTA

I recently got an email from an organization called 98 degrees who were contacting me in regard to RBS Bonuses.

It is a concerning issue that the country taxes the little man who is on less than 20k/annum. These people who earn over 50000.00/annum are taxed @ 50% Income tax but they receive bonuses annually additional to there income. These bonuses are not taxed like wages. It would be a fair comment to say lets tax there bonuses @ 60%, the 60% tax would become public property and would finance the NHS and further public services. By taxing these bonuses across the board one can limit the amount of money they would be awarding and in effect keep more in the system, putting it back where it is needed. That to me sounds like a fairer Briton.

Here is the reply i wrote to 38 Degrees in regard to bonuses ACTA and recent events that no one is targeting in fact there making a big commission with no solution.

 

Hi 38 Degrees

Yes i did hear about this person getting a massive bonus. I dont think
attacking him directly is the answer. Attacking the ideals and immoral
aspect of this is what should be happening. Getting the government to
place a high TAX like 60% tax on bonuses for these people. weather it
be in shares or money. For instance The shares that were worth £999,000
@ 60% TAX would then be owned by the general public which in turn could
fund our NHS country development and so on much better. It would give
the average Jo a relief and allow for a much lesser Income TAX for
those on less than 20K a year. I think 20-24% Income tax for someone on
12K a year is wrong.

The wealthy need to put more back into the system, why should they be
the only ones who are allowed to enjoy a fulfilled life while others
struggle and suffer. My local council has once again stopped giving out
bin bags, even though i pay a huge amount a month on council tax we get
no bin liners.

Also the one culture changing factor that has fuelled a bit of piece
hope and self education in our lives above the rich and wealthy with
there proclaimed bonuses is the new ACTA bill which aims to keep the
richer rich rather than keep an open free trade market. Being a Open
Source software developer and allowing stupid USA patents mainly one in
particular(that states if you did not build the software yourself you
must pay to use it) taken out by microsoft would be effective in the UK
if the bill is accepted by the EU. The UK has already signed it, this
affects me directly as i program software share it free into the
community which in turn gets debuged by the many. They get the use it i
get to use the debugged version and we all contribute making a free
open commerce of innovation creative and very useful software that
everyone anywhere in the world can enjoy.

The ACTA act will allow patents operating in america to be enforced
globally, as mentioned above the USA patent system does not work as it
allows Microsoft to stop free open source software that has helped
billions of people enjoy learning the internet, education into
programming without any commercial cost, provided a cost assured
economical solution to today’s servers allowing small companies to get
of the ground without licence costs.

Everyone is pointing the finger but no one is targeting the issue
directly. Let him have his bonuses because next year they will all be
given bonuses again and the next year and again and again. TAX the damn
thing that’s what VAT was for in concern to shops so do the same with
there bonuses. Clamp it down so that the money they take out can be put
back into the system and continue the perfect circle.

At the moment ACTA is due to break that circle and seen as nothing is
being done about the bankers bonuses this will continue to break the
perfect circle meaning poverty, filth, and so on will prevail. Beer in
pubs is already priced the poor to drink at home and with the
supermarkets rising the price per bottle that will be unaffordable too.
The future is looking dark and violent. The rules the fat cats play by
needs to change, a 3 year old can see that.

Our freedom is destroyed (Intelectual Property protection)

The real deal SOPA PIPA IPP

As i am sure most people are aware of the recent commotion regarding the SOPA bill, yet something many have let slip by or have not realized has slipped by. Something that has been about for quite a few years that is imperative that it is confined to the furnace bin never to be exercised again.

Intellectual Property Protection, the biggest most frightening problem we have regarding our freedom on the Internet today. Its the real heart(root) of the whole need for SOPA.

If alarm bells are not ringing in your head by now well they should be. Intellectual property protection is known as software patents where its primary purpose is to patent software technology. This is to include things like software alogarythms or complex software design. Things like HTML language or mathematical applications such as Matlab.

The problem begins when someone patents a program like Matlab or Autocad. This patent allows them to become a monopoly. If you or anyone else decide to make a similar program it violates there patent and means you must pay them royalty. You probably think well this is ok, then how does healthy competition occur. There are more than one way to skin a cat meaning you could make something to do the same thing just in not the same way your they did it. All that said this is only implicated if someone intends to sell the product commercially. Rightly so as your invention deserves royalty paid to you, you did invent it after all. What happens when it is not an invention?

The above video is a great resource provided by google in regard to patents and its terrible down falls, highly destructive nature, specifically to the public. Although it helps to fuel investment for large corporations this is non focused on the public. A great example in this video was that a 20 year software patent is a strain on innovation, restricting future competitors resulting in stupendously high prices. When another competitor arrives on the market to offer a cheaper maybe even better solution they are then crushed by the exclusive large firm explained @20:18 in the above video.

  • The video bellow is Linus Torvoids talking about Microsoft now in todays day being the infringing exclusive firm on our freedom and human rights.

Of course it is clear that granting exclusive rights to companies is a great way to bring in investment, share holders and the likes so that the technology and or software can progress to a further commercial stage. That said it is also clear that with the granted right comes detrimental destructive use that is used for monopolizing a product. Further more it infringes on our freedom in such a way that our choices are forced to have to comply with the companies exclusive rights. This is clearly seen in the open source Linux space where nothing is commercial or is sold, in fact it is yielding far more innovation than commercial software vendors. The open source space has taken a huge battering from Microsoft in that patent claims have cause very limited video and sound drivers, graphics and multimedia application innovation to a halt.

Even worst for those that did not catch it in the first video @34:13 what an amazing example of infringement of human rights if we can still call them that. A patent taken out not(NOT) buy the scientist who developed the abortion method but a random patent filed granting him exclusive rights to weather a woman in America can have a first trimester abortion or not, clearly infringing on her constitutional right. Do you still think this is not a problem?

Why? as mentioned in the video software innovation is driven buy incentive from customers needs. most software companies build a software package to a customers need so in all due respect it is the customer that is the inventor. Should he not own the patent?

There is a law within the UK that if anyone else knows about the invention it automatically becomes NON patentable no matter what you do it can not be patented as it is not unique anymore. Only the inventor and the patent office or persons directly involved in the patent know about it until the day it is filed. Therefore the above customer driven incentive/innovation would and could not be patented, obtaining a patent in this area would be void due to obtaining it under false pretenses. You falsified your claim stating that you were the sole inventor of the technology.

I may be further updating this post as and when new information develops or further study develops a worthy blog. Bellow is a video blog from a youtuber who shares his understandings and points about software patents. Very interesting video of his points many i agree with.

Women are worth less than prostitutes (What do you charge for SEX)

Hey all again this is a related post to my previous post regarding “its up to the man to chance the woman”

I recently decided to post a FaceBook status of what i was thinking in a intriguing manor about an interesting concept that in todays day women are less worth than prostitutes.

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Big words and full of great meaning so read on, here is my original status post:

  • What do you charge for SEX?… Devoted Love, A good wine and dine, a free drink, cash or do you give it FOR FREE. At least a prostitute has the sense to ask for cash. Girls girls girls, have more respect for yourselves or at least let the man take you to dinner before you let him have it. DONT BE A WORTHLESS SLUT!­­

I thought the above status said it all and it does but left out some important findings such as:

  • We are in 21st century ! Equality and all that.

Well i found that amusing to say the least but it bares a very valid point but the fact is it makes no difference at all, the moral of the story is they will never find a good man by opening ones legs. Does not matter what the century or decade, no man wants to marry a slut, yet many men (majority) will take the fuk and forget option. A good man wants to take a woman to dinner treat her like a lady and win her heart, fall in love and all that. a bad man wants to ripp of her knickers and fuk, empty his sack and leave, move on to the next hole as a goal. that has not changed since the dawn of time well at least since the cave man clubbed the woman over the head, knock her out and knock her up but that was the cave man days.

  • True but when do u know if a man is genuine, as many bullshit so women end up fooled. I know i have before.

Simply you play hard to get. Let him wine and dine you dont let him have sex for ages give the relationship time to develop, if he just wants a fk he wont be putting that much effort in or well maybe he will but chances are he might like it in the end and change his mind and stay. Either way playing hard to get, letting him wine and dine you is really good pleasurable fun thing to do in its self without the sex. One thing is for certain it thins out the boys from the men thats for sure and still to this day is the real fun bits in dating. You women can control that, we men are quite a slave to it in all fairness.
Although men like me have our own strong dignity and respect not only for women but our selves it can not be said for the majority of others. That is why its imperative that the woman plays hard to get if she wishes to find that special man. A man is only but fueled by his sexual need and if he gets it straight away then he has no need to continue the chase leaving no room for developing emotion. If he did not want to develop emotion like that then he wont continue to chaise you. Simples really.

Moral of the story is that if a man is wanting sex with you without being romantic or taking you out to dinner or even treating you like a lady then he clearly is not interested in a long term relationship. A man will contain himself and treat a lady well if he thinks she is worth it.

If you, the woman is wanting sex like that then dont be surprised when he leaves in the morning no strings attached “Why can i not i find a good man” well i wonder why, now wake up because if you actually wanted him to be your partner and start a relationship then well you screwed it and just got screwed.

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You really need to take that time and enjoy each others non sexual company well before you jump in bed with each other no matter how hard it is. If the woman cant contain her sexual feeling guess she dont think your worth more than a one night stand as well then.

Check out the video bellow something that i had found that touches on some real points all about the above. DONT LET THE MOVIES RUN YOUR LIFE yes that really is a truth. Mark Gungor is the host of the video and puts all the issues of impressions that are running your life. Trust your emotions not what your thinking.

Guys are supposed to chase the women

Hello all

Just another crazy sane blog post haha.

Its a new year frosh 2012 and i cant speak for others yet i fell there is allot of love in the air, with valentines approaching in February and the time moving very fast it pleases me to see people actually paying attention to courting and the fun aspects of dating and relationships.

A friend of mine on FaceBook posted an intriguing status which got a fair level of attention something that men related to more than women, maybe it has to do with the lack of education in schools today in relationships and dating. Saying that though i dont think its is the schools problem to teach children today the correct respectful way to treat a lady or approach a lady if one wants to fall in love with her. It is of course the parents responsibility yet parents can only teach there children if they know how to themselves. Thats why it is very important to have both parents mother and father in any upbringing.

Cutting to the chase the status i found intriguing that triggered me to post this was:

  • Ur the guy, ur supposed 2 chase after us. we pretend not 2 notice u because we want 2 c how hard u r willing 2 try. 😉

Apart from the modern short hand lingo or urban dictionary usage she has a very valid and intriguing post. In this response the word STALKER is used which poses an interesting point by some other posts posted in the comments one was:

  • If you chase and they don’t like it your a STALKER

Me being me i could not resist but respond to this with:

I agree but you still need to give a dog a bone as one puts it. Due to the reaction from some women calling men perverts and stalkers because they try so hard to show the woman they like them so much its become a very fine line between the two. He who camps outside your house or follows you down the street on every move is a stalker maybe even a pervert yet this phrase stalker has been used outside of these actions such as stalking someones facebook profile. Question is in all honesty visiting a lady’s profile sending them nice non sleazy messages and fb pokes, does that really make that person a stalker or a person who wants to try anything and everything to impress you and grab your attention. A zero response to them could indicate a lack of interest because allot of women dont know how to tell a guy there not interested so they ignore them. That said many probably more than most men can not handle rejection but thats there problem not the womans.

I finished by saying:

Moral of the story is DO NOT BE CRUEL and string them along for your own ego. That really is cruel. If you dont like them tell them in a nice way, “Your really nice and everything but sorry your not my type” something like that. Everyone can know where they stand and no one gets lead down the garden path.

Yes men are supposed to chase women but your not supposed to ignore them, i also hope that this definition of a stalker is not perverted or misconstrued against a man who becomes besotted or a man trying hard to be romantic in the hope he could capture there heart and attention. After all the good guys put in the effort the bad guys just want sex quick simple and easy. I have another post discussing this something much more in-depth yet related to this post.

Love and peace.

 

 

Daily Express say Millions afraid to turn on the heating

The Daily express say that millions will be afraid to turn on there heating but wholesale price have dropped, The daily express also ask us what do we think should be done in this dilemma. Sounds familiar to the fuel prices (petrol/diesel) 10 years ago don’t you think.

Snippet from the Daily Express Facebook page:

  • Millions of people will be afraid to turn on their heating this winter because of rip-off energy prices. Wholesale electricity and gas prices are plummeting, but the energy firms keep charging us more. What do you think should be done?

My answer to this dilemma:

Easy problem to solve this. Think about it, when a shop charges too much for something what do we do? Shop around thats what we do, we find someone else who can provide it at a cheaper price.

Although that sounds simple to the everyday person in changing energy companies one must remember your costs are in lou and contract terms apply.

I say lets step it up, Remove the ability for any energy companies to sign you to nothing more than 1 hour. No more 12 month or 24 month contracts for gas or electric. This opens the consumer up to move to the cheapest supplier at will whenever he/she finds a better deal.
Make it illegal for energy suppliers to hold you against your will with them for an outstanding balance. The balance must be taken to the reading that you left them at to the minute and be chased up as if it was an arrears for a product purchase. They must never be allowed to tie you down to them. Why? because it allows the consumer to choose freely meaning the energy supplier must provide exceptional price or service to keep you as a customer based on consumer satisfaction.

When there faced with a free internet/high-street shop to shop market they would be more inclined to keep you shopping in there store with the better price as you cant taste or sample the quality of electricity and gas. Its all the same supply just different organisation charging you.